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Feb. 19th, 2008 08:25 pm
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(Note, I am NOT bashing any religious belief per se, but rather taking to task the attitude shown here.)

Go on and breed more pure white Western babies!! Or else Western civilization is doomed!!!

Christian Right's Demographic Nightmare: Muslims are "Out-Breeding" Us

"Europe is failing to produce enough babies -- the right babies -- to replace its old and dying. It's "the baby bust," "the birth dearth," "the graying of the continent": Modern euphemisms for old-fashioned race panic as low fertility among white "Western" couples coincides with an increasingly visible immigrant population across Europe. The real root of racial tensions in the Netherlands and France, America's culture warriors tell anxious Europeans, isn't ineffective methods of assimilating new citizens but, rather, decades of "anti-family" permissiveness -- contraception, abortion, divorce, population control, women's liberation and careers, "selfish" secularism and gay rights -- enabling "decadent" white couples to neglect their reproductive duties. Defying the biblical command to "be fruitful and multiply," Europeans have failed to produce the magic number of 2.1 children per couple, the estimated "replacement-level fertility" for developed nations (and a figure repeated so frequently it becomes a near incantation). The white Christian West, in this telling, is in danger of forfeiting itself through sheer lack of numbers to an onslaught of Muslim immigrants and their purportedly numerous offspring. In other words, Mosher and his colleagues aren't really concerned about wolves."

(snip)

"At the national level, in 2004 Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi offered a "baby bonus" of about $1,000 to parents who had a second child, and Russia, which has a history of pro-natalist policies, including its 1980s-era "motherhood medals," sweetened the offer to its citizens with several birth initiatives for hesitant couples, including an $8,900 award to families who produce a second child and a stipend of 40 percent of salary to women who leave work to become stay-at-home moms. One Russian province made novelty news worldwide with its Day of Conception on September 12, when residents of Ulyanovsk got time off work to "conceive a patriot" for the country. Prizes for successful delivery nine months later include refrigerators and cars. The theme is present enough in the popular consciousness that a Swedish underwear company cashed in on the anxiety with a provocative ad campaign featuring a cast of Nordic men wearing EU-type lapel pins, commanding Swedes to "Fuck for the Future" and "Drop Your Pants or Drop Dead.""

Date: 2008-02-20 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tepintzin.livejournal.com
I know from reading web sites promoting this mindset that non-white Christians are also not what they want to have breeding. I'm assuming that Dr. and Mrs. White-Power Asatru* are okay by the Christian Right, but not Senor y Senora South American Catholics.

*Not that all Asatru are white power; I know quite a lot of decent ones.

Date: 2008-02-20 04:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgund.livejournal.com
I suspect you're right. From the article in question:

"The racial preferences behind Berlusconi's "baby bonus" came into embarrassing relief when immigrant parents were accidentally sent checks for their offspring and then asked to return the money: The Italian government hadn't meant to promote those births."

Date: 2008-02-20 06:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeddie.livejournal.com
Actually neither are wanted though the Asatru would probably be tolerated since the kids could be converted later. The South American Catholics wouldn't be wanted since to the extreme fundies Catholics aren't really Christian due to the whole Mary thing and they aren't European and all they are worried about is the US and Europe anyway.

Date: 2008-02-20 06:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-02-20 08:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] letter-d.livejournal.com
:: boggle :: How completely appalling. These people need to do a little reading about Romania. (Link opens a .pdf file.)

Date: 2008-02-20 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgund.livejournal.com
The problem is we're talking Dominonists. Little things like history don't matter to them. Especially since what happened in Romania they can excuse as "Godless Communism", whereas they, as "real Christians" would NEVER do anything like that.

The Dominionists in the US are preaching about large families (Google "Quiverfull" for example), in much the same way that Ceauşescu's secret police used the orphanages - as a breeding ground for recruits. (Google "Joel's Army" sometime)

Date: 2008-02-20 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toraks.livejournal.com

Hindu Indians tend to have the attitude that the Muslims are taking over by overbreeding us. At least, I've heard it from my dad, who's fairly tolerant religious-wise in general...

Date: 2008-02-20 05:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] czina.livejournal.com
Hey - where can I get my .1 kid? I want to do the 'right thing' - but I'm not sure to buy the last .1. Ain't no way in HELL that I'm going to stay perpetually pregnant to be 'in the right'.

Can you imagine the rise of welfare and problems in THIS country if they offered 'free gifts' to people to have kids? Not only would the 'Quiverfull' people get in good - my sister would make out like a bandit with her 4 kids!

Sigh - whereas those of us who think and PLAN these things ... not so much.

Of course - there is a better way to handle such things. Contraception. If they wouldn't promote stupid programs that don't work, but instead educated women (and men, but mainly women) about how to NOT have babies - the population would tend to even out, one would think.

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