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The Orange County Weekly did an article on local resident and batshit crazy birther lawyer/dentist Dr. Orly Taitz (Mission Viejo, but I think she really lives on Mars).

and guess who got a mention on page 4.....

"While mainstream news sources such as Politifact and FactCheck.org have tried to debunk the bulk of the eligibility argument, the best place to see all the evidence is at the coterie of “anti-birther” websites that have sprung up. ObamaConspiracy.org, for example, meticulously examines each and every eligibility claim, almost wholly relying on original research and primary documents. NativeBornCitizen.wordpress.com goes through eligibility lawsuits and argues with them, point by point.

It sometimes seems as though the “anti-birther” community is just as obsessed as the people it keeps an eye on. On Politijab.com, there’s an entire forum devoted to Taitz, complete with topics such as “Orly’s Facebook Page” and “How Long Until Orly’s Breakdown?” At YesToDemocracy.com, bloggers provide regular updates on the latest birther activities, with some choice digs at the “nitrous-huffing,” “cavity creep” that is Orly Taitz.

“It’s just fascinating,” says Bob Haggard, a frequent poster on Politijab’s Orly Taitz forum. “She runs around the country doing things that amount to absolutely nothing. She tells her followers that she ‘files’ all sorts of documents, but she never files anything. She drops stuff off.”

Patrick McKinnion of Yes to Democracy puts it a different way: “There’s a certain amount of fascination with unbridled insanity, and that’s what you’re seeing with the birthers: a level of hatred that borders, if not absolutely pole-vaults, into insanity.

Date: 2009-06-19 05:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eleri.livejournal.com
WTF is a 'birther' and an 'anti-birther'? o.O

Date: 2009-06-19 05:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgund.livejournal.com
A "birther" is one who believes that President Obama cannot be president due to one or more of the following beliefs:

1) That he was not born in the United States, but in Kenya, and his Hawaii birth certificate is a forgery.

2) Even if he was born in Hawaii, he lost his US citizenship when his mother married Lolo Soetoro (note, under US law a minor that is a US citizen cannot give up their citizenship nor can their parents take it away)

3) Even if he was born in Hawaii AND still has US citizenship, he's not the right *KIND* of citizen because

a) His father was not a US citizen, therefore he's not a "Natural-Born citizen"(i,e both parents US citizens), but rather a "native-born citizen" according to the writings of the Swiss legal expert de Vattel. (note, US law only counts two types of citizenship, natural-born, when someone is born in the US or overseas to a US citizen parent. The US Constitution does not state a president must have both parents as US citizens either. )

b) He was a dual-citizen at birth and therefore has "divided loyalites" (note, there is nothing in the US constitution or US law forbidding anyone with dual-citizenship at birth from being president)

c) His mother was too young to pass on her US citizenship at birth, therefore he cannot be a US citizen (technically true IF he was born overseas due to the laws at the time. However, he was born in the United States, therefore the question is academic)

A birther believes that Obama is an "usurper" that is sitting in the White House illegally, that there is a massive dark conspiracy that put him there, and that there will be a armed citizen uprising and perhaps a military coup to overthrow the usurper and restore the Constitution as they see it.

There is also a subgroup of birthers running fantasy "american grand juries" where they meet on-line and rubberstamp enditements against Obama on the charges of not being a citizen (or right kind of citizen) and unspecified "treason". Those people are getting annoyed that the real legal system is ignoring them.

Date: 2009-06-19 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgund.livejournal.com
An anti-birther is someone who disproves the birthers claims (and usually pokes fun at them as well)

Date: 2009-06-19 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbrim.livejournal.com
"Birthers" are those who claim that Obama is not a natural born citizen and hence not eligible to be president. The usual claim is that he was born in Kenya, and that the birth certificate he released was a forgery, along with a massive consiracy involving the Govenor of Hawaii, and other high state officials to cover up the truth. I have even heard it claimed that Obama had his grandmother quietly assasinated right before the election, because she was threatening to tell the truth.

Date: 2009-06-19 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattlejo.livejournal.com
The article linked actually gives a good background on it.

Date: 2009-06-19 05:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenesue.livejournal.com
Woo and also Hoo! You are becoming a household name. In Orly's house, that may mean your name has been put on the dart board... ;-)

Date: 2009-06-19 05:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] patgund.livejournal.com
*Chuckle* Let her. I'll just imagine her singing a certain song from "Little Shop of Horrors".......

The thing I don't get about Orly (or Philip Berg for that matter) is that they are so blinded by hatred for Obama that they're paling around with racists, and even anti-semites, (the holocaust museum shooter was a birther). These are people willing and able to hate Berg and Dr. Taitz simply due to their faith, but Berg and Dr. Orly are bestest buddies with them due to their overriding hatred for Obama.

Date: 2009-06-19 07:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] plymouth.livejournal.com
YOU WIN AT INTERNET!!!

Date: 2009-06-19 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] snobahr.livejournal.com
I think I lost a few braincells trying to make sense of Orly's actions.

Date: 2009-06-19 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] henglaar.livejournal.com
Congratulations on being referenced on the subject.

As you said, there IS a certain amount of almost morbid fascination in dealing with the insane. Not always pleasant, but almost always true.

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